Dave Klecha ([info]daveamongus) wrote,
@ 2008-05-20 22:13:00
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Fractured Fandom

Going to keep this short because, damn, I’m tired. And I have another long day tomorrow.

Anyway, while driving all over creation the past couple days, I was listening to the Adventures in Sci-Fi Publishing podcast, which is pretty nifty. As an aside to all my fellow Bujold fans, the latest entry is gleaned from a Q&A Lois did at Mysterious Galaxies in San Diego, so if you haven’t heard it yet (and haven’t yet heard the shout-out she gives The List, you may want to hop over and listen). Anyway, it’s a pretty darn good podcast with lots of fantastic guests and some nifty insight. Very conversational and largely off-the-cuff, which I like.

One of the eps I was listening to, though, was an interview with a science fiction musician by the name of Chris Armstrong. Afterward (and in a subsequent podcast) the show’s hosts discussed all the various science fiction music out there–though most of it seemed soundtrack-related, which is probably a separate rant. So as they’re talking about it, the thought occurred to me: wouldn’t a science fiction/fantasy satellite radio station be great?

And then I realized that no, no it wouldn’t. Why? Because of Fractured Fandom.

It’s not so much that fandom itself is broken up into discrete chunks, some of which, taken together, would result in a Venn diagram with mere slivers of overlap. It’s that wherever there is a “Mine is better than yours” debate in fandom, you’d have groups taking offense that the music from such-and-such would dare be included on the Sci-Fi Radio Network. And then you’d have everyone up in arms (save the DJ) when they play a selection from Xanadu, and it would be all over save the shouting.

Which I guess dovetails with Richard K. Morgan’s recent article about the pugnacious environment among the genre core, especially authors. Not that he doesn’t get rambly and off-topic toward the end, but early on in the article the idea resounds. The conflict seems almost inherent to the SFF genre discourse, and in all likelihood keeps people away. When your friend who “likes sci-fi” sneers at you for enjoying Star Wars, especially (gasp!) the prequel trilogy… chances are you’re not going to be open to what he might have to recommend.

But then, in the broader geek culture, I think there’s quite a bit of that poisonous atmosphere in other arenas, such as Mac v. Linux v. Windows, or the video game “conosle wars” (sneered into irrelevance by Yahtzee at Zero Punctuation), or getting even more esoteric, who makes the best video card, or which distribution of Linux is superior. The end result of all the bickering, however, is that the culture starts to get the same vibe as soccer hooligans, only without all the alcohol. Or pummeling cops. Which probably looks like an improvement, but at least the soccer hooligans have alcohol to blame it on.

So I’m not sure what I’m trying to say, other than that a science fiction radio station would never work. Which is a shame.

Crossposted with klech.net



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[info]leeflower
2008-05-21 04:59 am UTC (link)
It's brand loyalty as a surrogate tribe. At least that's what it feels like everytime someone tells me I would be smart, cool, and stylish like them if I started using a mac/drinking pepsi/riding an American bike/anything else I don't do: "I base my self-worth on the approval of others, and others approve of me for liking this thing. You should validate me by liking this thing, too--then we can approve of each other."

Fandom works sort of the same way, although more the inverse: "If you don't like this thing I like, it must mean you don't like me! Or my mother! Well, fine, I think your mom's a whore too!" I'm exaggerating, clearly, but people really do take it personally when you're not into the same things they're into in fandom, and I think that causes a lot of the fracturing.

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[info]daveamongus
2008-05-21 03:16 pm UTC (link)
No question. Very distinct tribe mentality, which is probably the downside to all the great connections and collaborations that the internet has allowed us to make; now that we've got these great tribes, we want to defend them against all comers, which has come to include promoting the tribe ahead of all others.

Really too bad that it seems to be working that way.

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[info]missvitriol
2008-05-21 05:39 am UTC (link)
Not gonna lie -- I found this entry fascinating.

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[info]daveamongus
2008-05-21 03:16 pm UTC (link)
Awesome.

When you're a world-famous editor, maybe you'll think of me when you need a feature article on geeks written.

Or something.

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[info]commodorified
2008-05-21 07:18 am UTC (link)
Your squee is not necessarily my squee. But your squee is okay. *nods solemnly*

... maybe we can make that a meme? You start. I'll follow.

ETA: Oh, what the Hell. I'll start. :)

Edited at 2008-05-21 07:26 am UTC

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[info]matociquala
2008-05-21 10:13 am UTC (link)
It is as you both say.

Why are we so het up about this again? There are children starving in Portland.

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[info]daveamongus
2008-05-21 03:20 pm UTC (link)
It's an odd world where fandom disagreements can generate more heat and light than, say, crumbling schools or starving kids.

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[info]commodorified
2008-05-22 06:27 am UTC (link)
It gives us a temporary illusion of control, fighting over something smaller than us for a change.

I mean, I'm not immune. I'm just trying to cut down to half a wank a dayweek. :)

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[info]commodorified
2008-05-22 06:29 am UTC (link)
Hysterical displacement activity? At least, this is my crackpot theory.

(I WILL SEE YOU IN LESS THAN 24 HOURS!)

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[info]daveamongus
2008-05-21 03:18 pm UTC (link)
I definitely came to the "your squee is okay" mentality by an odd route... though I think that was only in the more extreme versions. On the more basic level, I never understood why I couldn't like both Star Wars and Star Trek and that hasn't changed.

And that's a good start.

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